La rébellion universitaire s'étend en Inde / Sondage infos presses Occidentales !

[lafoy-china]

Five killed in Army firing as violence spreads in Haryana ,
govt requests for additional troopsgovt requests for additional troops

​

At least five persons were shot dead on Saturday as the armed forces opened fire on agitating protesters in various parts of Haryana. The deceased include four in Jhajjar and one in Kaithal. The Central Government is providing a chopper to Haryana for monitoring the measures to control the agitation and also spray tear gas to disperse mobs, especially at blockades.

Disclosing the figures, the state government said, “Haryana Government today sought additional companies of Central Reserve Police Force and more columns of Army to be deployed in Haryana by tomorrow morning to control the ongoing agitation in the State.”

The requisition for additional force was made by Crisis Management Group of Haryana comprising Chief Secretary, Additional Chief Secretary, Home and Director General of Police who held a meeting with Union Cabinet Secretary, Chief of Army Staff, Chief of Air Force and Director IB through video conference from here today.

“154 First Information Reports have been registered and rowdy persons are being identified and stern action would be taken against them. Today, four persons lost their lives in district Jhajjar when Armed Forces opened fire to quell arson and firing and one in district Kaithal. Today five persons were injured in district Rohtak. Apart from this, 10 persons including some police personnel were injured in district Jhajjar”, a state government spokesperson said.

“Army and Police personnel have been deployed in adequate number in Rohtak to control the situation. As many as 15 companies of India Reserve Battalion and Haryana Armed Police, three companies of paramilitary forces and two columns of Army have already been deployed”, the spokesperson added.

At least five persons were shot dead on Saturday as the armed forces opened fire on agitating protesters in various parts of Haryana. The deceased include four in Jhajjar and one in Kaithal. The Central Government is providing a chopper to Haryana for monitoring the measures to control the agitation and also spray tear gas to disperse mobs, especially at blockades.

Disclosing the figures, the state government said, “Haryana Government today sought additional companies of Central Reserve Police Force and more columns of Army to be deployed in Haryana by tomorrow morning to control the ongoing agitation in the State.”

The requisition for additional force was made by Crisis Management Group of Haryana comprising Chief Secretary, Additional Chief Secretary, Home and Director General of Police who held a meeting with Union Cabinet Secretary, Chief of Army Staff, Chief of Air Force and Director IB through video conference from here today.

“154 First Information Reports have been registered and rowdy persons are being identified and stern action would be taken against them. Today, four persons lost their lives in district Jhajjar when Armed Forces opened fire to quell arson and firing and one in district Kaithal. Today five persons were injured in district Rohtak. Apart from this, 10 persons including some police personnel were injured in district Jhajjar”, a state government spokesperson said.

“Army and Police personnel have been deployed in adequate number in Rohtak to control the situation. As many as 15 companies of India Reserve Battalion and Haryana Armed Police, three companies of paramilitary forces and two columns of Army have already been deployed”, the spokesperson added.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...vation-agitation-haryana-live-updates-rohtak/

 

[lafoy-china]

Mouais, comparez l'Inde et HK ...

Sinon c'est cool de faire du business en Inde, ils disent jamais non et tout se passe toujours à merveille

Bonjour Toto
Je compare la difference du traitement de l'information par la presse c' est tout ...
C'est une revolte estudiantine a la base , et les etudiants indiens ont la meme valeur humaine qu'a Hong Kong , Beijing , Paris ou Washington ...
Imagine que cette situation ce passe en Chine , et les gros titre de nos journaux !

 

[phitheb]

Bonsoir Phit
N'essaye pas d m'escroquer , les fait graves commencent a partir du 19 ! Et on cause de Une relatant les faits avec indignation collective , comme si c'etait des evenements en Chine ou a Hong Kong
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/jat-reservation-protest-haryana/

Et maintenant, ça va mieux?:
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article...ietant-nationalisme-de-modi_4868938_3232.html

Un éditorial de première page dans le Monde (daté du 20/02), qui tire à boulet rouge sur Modi, sera t'il enfin accepté par Maître Lafoy, ou bien faudra t'il en sus un numéro spécial avec pages fluo et gadget Pif?

 

[lafoy-china]

Et maintenant, ça va mieux?:
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article...ietant-nationalisme-de-modi_4868938_3232.html

Un éditorial de première page dans le Monde (daté du 20/02), qui tire à boulet rouge sur Modi, sera t'il enfin accepté par Maître Lafoy, ou bien faudra t'il en sus un numéro spécial avec pages fluo et gadget Pif?

Bonjour Phit
C'est un plus , mais encore bien confidentiel , et au niveau de la TV ca donne quoi !
Merci

 

[phitheb]

Bonjour Phit
C'est un plus , mais encore bien confidentiel , et au niveau de la TV ca donne quoi !
Merci

Euh, je ne comprends pas cette soudaine minimisation de la réaction du Monde...
Est ce bien le même Lafoy qui, 2 jours plus tôt, nous disait, je cite:
"lafoy est egalement curieux de voir comment les evenements seront cites ou non par la presse francaise et le journal le Monde en particulier , car si l'armee ou la police avait tire sur des etudiants ou des manifestants en Chine en 2016 bonjour le pataques , mais bon on est en train de vendre des Rafales en Inde et de signer des contrats ca risque de passer inapercu ... On verra bien ..."
?
Il semble donc que, il y a 2 jours, la réaction du journal le Monde était le critère essentiel pour juger ou non d'un complot pro-Inde et anti-Chine...mais, maintenant que cette réaction du Monde arrive (claire, énergique et en 1ère page), d'un seul coup elle n'a plus beaucoup d'importance...

 

[lafoy-china]

Euh, je ne comprends pas cette soudaine minimisation de la réaction du Monde...
Est ce bien le même Lafoy qui, 2 jours plus tôt, nous disait, je cite:
"lafoy est egalement curieux de voir comment les evenements seront cites ou non par la presse francaise et le journal le Monde en particulier , car si l'armee ou la police avait tire sur des etudiants ou des manifestants en Chine en 2016 bonjour le pataques , mais bon on est en train de vendre des Rafales en Inde et de signer des contrats ca risque de passer inapercu ... On verra bien ..."
?
Il semble donc que, il y a 2 jours, la réaction du journal le Monde était le critère essentiel pour juger ou non d'un complot pro-Inde et anti-Chine...mais, maintenant que cette réaction du Monde arrive (claire, énergique et en 1ère page), d'un seul coup elle n'a plus beaucoup d'importance...

Je ne minimise rien , je veux des gros titres en manchette dans toute la presse ! Comme si cette situation se passait en Chine ..

On ne va pas jouer au plus malin non ! Tu sais pertinemment que si cette situation se produisait en Chine , les medias occidentaux et francais en particulier seraient enflammes depuis 2 jours et les condamnations unanimes fuseraient de toutes part ...

...

 

[MandaRhum]

On ne va pas jouer au plus malin non ! Tu sais pertinemment que si cette situation se produisait en Chine , les medias occidentaux et francais en particulier seraient enflammes depuis 2 jours et les condamnations unanimes fuseraient de toutes part ...

Je crois qu'on a une perception un peu déformée quand on est à l'étranger.
Là je suis en France, et j'avais vraiment oublié à quel point nos médias sont franco-centrés. Toute la France s'en bat les steaks de l'Inde et du Cachemire, et de HK et des bridés en général. Par contre, un ministre qui pète à table, c'est directement des analyses et des débats d'experts.

 

[phitheb]

Je ne minimise rien , je veux des gros titres en manchette dans toute la presse ! Comme si cette situation se passait en Chine ..

On ne va pas jouer au plus malin non ! Tu sais pertinemment que si cette situation se produisait en Chine , les medias occidentaux et francais en particulier seraient enflammes depuis 2 jours et les condamnations unanimes fuseraient de toutes part ...

Cher Lafoy, tu pars sur une tangente là et (avec tout le respect réel que j'ai pour toi) tu essayes de t'en tirer à très bon compte:

Il y a 2 jours tu montes sur tes grands chevaux en insistant sur le fait que tu attends impatiemment la réaction de "Le Monde" et tu sembles attacher énormément d'importance à ce que va dire ce journal. Et hop, maintenant que cette réaction est là, tu passes d'un seul coup à un autre argument, du genre "ah benh non en fait, je me suis trompé, la réaction du Monde n'a finalement pas d'importance..."

C'est ce que je m'étais permis d'appeler la tactique de "l'anguille" sur le topic sur les complots:
https://www.bonjourchine.com/thread...nt-les-plus-sains-de-tous.125973/#post-553153

 

[phitheb]

Je crois qu'on a une perception un peu déformée quand on est à l'étranger.
Là je suis en France, et j'avais vraiment oublié à quel point nos médias sont franco-centrés. Toute la France s'en bat les steaks de l'Inde et du Cachemire, et de HK et des bridés en général. Par contre, un ministre qui pète à table, c'est directement des analyses et des débats d'experts.

pas faux....hélas

 

[lafoy-china]

Cher Lafoy, tu pars sur une tangente là et (avec tout le respect réel que j'ai pour toi) tu essayes de t'en tirer à très bon compte:

Il y a 2 jours tu montes sur tes grands chevaux en insistant sur le fait que tu attends impatiemment la réaction de "Le Monde" et tu sembles attacher énormément d'importance à ce que va dire ce journal. Et hop, maintenant que cette réaction est là, tu passes d'un seul coup à un autre argument, du genre "ah benh non en fait, je me suis trompé, la réaction du Monde n'a finalement pas d'importance..."

C'est ce que je m'étais permis d'appeler la tactique de "l'anguille" sur le topic sur les complots:
https://www.bonjourchine.com/thread...nt-les-plus-sains-de-tous.125973/#post-553153

Voila l'article

Editorial du « Monde ». L’horizon de la démocratie indienne s’est singulièrement assombri depuis l’arrivée au pouvoir du chef du Parti du peuple indien, Narendra Modi, il y a près de deux ans. L’arrestation d’un étudiant et d’un ancien professeur de l’université Jawaharlal Nehru de Delhi, accusés de « sédition », est la dernière illustration de la dérive autoritaire d’un gouvernement nationaliste hindou décidé à faire taire toute critique. Alors même que les motifs de ces deux arrestations restent flous, les étudiants multiplient les manifestations dans tout le pays.

Le gouvernement dit agir au nom de la défense de la « nation ». Mais de quelle « nation » parle-t-on ? Il est paradoxal de voir les nationalistes hindous défendre aujourd’hui le drapeau indien, qu’ils ont longtemps dénigré pour lui préférer le drapeau couleur safran, étendard d’une nation hindoue qui se déploierait de l’Afghanistan jusqu’en Birmanie. Il est curieux de voir ces mêmes nationalistes hindous se poser en défenseurs de la nation,...
.....
Le contenu de l'article du Monde complet relate t'il la reelle situation avec ses morts et son cortege de degradations , comme sur les liens poste par mes soins ?

Nous en somme tout le meme la ! Pas a dire Mechant Modi ....

8:00 pm: Violence and arson in the Jat quota stir in Haryana spread to more areas today with four people being killed in firing by security personnel at Rohtak and Jhajjar districts taking the death toll to five even as he Army staged flag marches in affected pockets.

7:45 pm: 810 trains affected including 527 cancelled. 210 Mail/Express and 317 Passenger Trains cancelled, 104 Mail/Express Trains diverted, 78 Mail/Express and 23 Passenger Trains Short Terminated and 53 Mail/Express and 25 Passenger Trains Short Originated so far.

7:40 pm: Meeting at Home Minister Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi ends.

7:25 pm: The District Magistrate also ordered to shut down all liquor vends in the district with immediate effect. Superintendent of Police, all Sub Divisional Magistrates, Deputy Excise and Taxation Commissioner have been directed to shut down the liquor shops in their respective jurisdictions till February 22, 2016.

7:21 pm: Police and Army urged the people not to come out of their houses as curfew had been imposed in the area. “Action would be taken against those found violating the curfew and Section 144”, said Pankaj, District Magistrate, Bhiwani.

7:20 pm: Liqour vends shut in Bhiwani – In view of the ongoing agitation in the State, the joint teams of Army and Police today carried out flag march in Bhiwani city and urged the people to cooperate with District Administration and Army.


7:10 pm: 10 companies of para-military forces have reached & 23 more companies are on their way to Haryana- YP Singhal, Haryana DGP

7:00 pm: 13 army columns have reached & are assisting administration. 10 more army columns are being airlifted to respective destinations- YP Singhal

6:39 pm: Several trains from Jammu cancelled, causing inconvenience to passengers, specially those who had come on pilgrimage to Mata Vaishno Devi cave shrine.

6:38 pm: Meeting underway at HM Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi. Army Chief, NSA Ajit Doval, Defence Minister Parrikar present.


6:30 pm: Shoot at sight orders issued by District commissioner in areas of Hissar and Hansi areas of Haryana.

6:20 pm: Army column open fire at Jhajjar (Haryana) to disperse crowd as agitation got violent, 1 civilian casualty. More details awaited.

6:10 pm: 33 army columns deployed in 9 districts of Haryana with maximum deployment in Rohtak. Additional columns are on standby. (ANI)

5:30 pm: Cabinet Secy PK Sinha said that safety of people, protection to property & maintenance of law & order & harmony should be given top priority.

5:00 pm: More than 600 trains cancelled due to the agitation: Anil Saxena, Railways

4.38 pm: The trains which were cancelled are Ahmedabad-New Delhi Rajdhani Express, Jodhpur-Delhi Mandore Express, Jodhpur/Bikaner-Delhi Sampark Kranti Express, Udaipur-Delhi Chetak Express, Ajmer-New Delhi Shatabdi Express, Ajmer-Haridwar Express, Ajmer-Amritsar Express, Delhi-Udaipur Chetak Express and Delhi-Bandra Terminus Garibrath Express, NWR CPRO Tarun Jain said.

4.30 pm: Jat leaders from Uttar Pradesh to meet Home Minister Rajnath Singh at 8 pm today.

4.22 pm: 18 trains of Western Railways cancelled, 15 terminated and 5 diverted.

4.20 pm: BJP issues showcase notice to party MP Raj kumar Saini for his alleged comments opposing the Jat reservation.

4.15 pm: Maruti Suzuki Plant in Manesar (Gurgaon,Haryana) temporarily closed as a precautionary measure.

4:00 pm: This is not a time to do politics, priority should be to maintain peace: Bhupinder Singh Hooda

3:15 pm: In order to deal with any situation of clashes with the security agencies or Army, Jats have put women and children as their shield. Women, too armed, are shouting slogans in various parts of Rohtak.

2:15 pm: Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar exhorts protesters to call off strike.

1:00 pm: A mob pelted stones at the house of senior Haryana Minister O P Dhankar in Jhajjar. No one was injured in the incident.

12:45 pm: Army took out a flag march in Hisar and cleared rail and road blockades set by Jat protesters who continued to indulge in arson and violence.

A contingent of army along with police cleared road blockades and rail tracks put up by protesters at several places, official sources told PTI.

Watch Video: Haryana Government should resolve Jat quota row quickly, says Hooda

The army also took out flag march near village Mayyar where Jats are sitting near the rail track on Hisar-Bhiwani route.

11:45 am: Some unidentified persons set on fire the Budha Khera Railway Station in Jind district. Furniture, record room and other articles were set on fire at the railway station, which falls on the Jind-Panipat rail section, police told PTI.

Jind is among the districts worst-hit by the ongoing Jat stir.

9:55 am: Neeraj Sharma, CPRO, Northern Railway, has said that around 150 trains have been cancelled. There have been fire incidents at Jhajjar station, he added. Tracks at some places have been damaged as well.

9:25 am: Bhoopinder Singh Hooda, ex-CM of Haryana, told ANI that a solution must be found through talks. He also urged protesters to agitate peacefully without causing loss to life and property.

9:20 am: The Army troops were flown into Rohtak via helicopters as all major roads and highways in Haryana remain blocked by Jat protestors.

9:10 am: Meanwhile, ANI is reporting that the Army flag march in Bhiwani has turned violent. Curfew has been imposed.

9:05 am: On a petition seeking directions to Haryana government to promptly act and stop “unlawful violent agitations” by Jat protesters, the Punjab and Haryana High Court Friday granted three days to the state government to file a status report in this regard. Read story here

8:55 am: Over 100 trains that pass through districts like Rohtak and Bhiwani stand cancelled causing severe inconvenience to over 1 lakh passengers in the region. Read here

8:50 am: Read how three people were killed in the protests on Friday

8:40 am: The protestors have set fire to the Khera railway station in Jind district, according to news agency ANI

8:30 am: Agitators are blocking roads and highways in Bahadurgarh.

8:00 pm: Violence and arson in the Jat quota stir in Haryana spread to more areas today with four people being killed in firing by security personnel at Rohtak and Jhajjar districts taking the death toll to five even as he Army staged flag marches in affected pockets.

7:45 pm: 810 trains affected including 527 cancelled. 210 Mail/Express and 317 Passenger Trains cancelled, 104 Mail/Express Trains diverted, 78 Mail/Express and 23 Passenger Trains Short Terminated and 53 Mail/Express and 25 Passenger Trains Short Originated so far.

7:40 pm: Meeting at Home Minister Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi ends.

7:25 pm: The District Magistrate also ordered to shut down all liquor vends in the district with immediate effect. Superintendent of Police, all Sub Divisional Magistrates, Deputy Excise and Taxation Commissioner have been directed to shut down the liquor shops in their respective jurisdictions till February 22, 2016.

7:21 pm: Police and Army urged the people not to come out of their houses as curfew had been imposed in the area. “Action would be taken against those found violating the curfew and Section 144”, said Pankaj, District Magistrate, Bhiwani.

7:20 pm: Liqour vends shut in Bhiwani – In view of the ongoing agitation in the State, the joint teams of Army and Police today carried out flag march in Bhiwani city and urged the people to cooperate with District Administration and Army.



7:10 pm: 10 companies of para-military forces have reached & 23 more companies are on their way to Haryana- YP Singhal, Haryana DGP

7:00 pm: 13 army columns have reached & are assisting administration. 10 more army columns are being airlifted to respective destinations- YP Singhal

6:39 pm: Several trains from Jammu cancelled, causing inconvenience to passengers, specially those who had come on pilgrimage to Mata Vaishno Devi cave shrine.

6:38 pm: Meeting underway at HM Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi. Army Chief, NSA Ajit Doval, Defence Minister Parrikar present.

6:30 pm: Shoot at sight orders issued by District commissioner in areas of Hissar and Hansi areas of Haryana.

6:20 pm: Army column open fire at Jhajjar (Haryana) to disperse crowd as agitation got violent, 1 civilian casualty. More details awaited.

6:10 pm: 33 army columns deployed in 9 districts of Haryana with maximum deployment in Rohtak. Additional columns are on standby. (ANI)

5:30 pm: Cabinet Secy PK Sinha said that safety of people, protection to property & maintenance of law & order & harmony should be given top priority.

5:00 pm: More than 600 trains cancelled due to the agitation: Anil Saxena, Railways

4.38 pm: The trains which were cancelled are Ahmedabad-New Delhi Rajdhani Express, Jodhpur-Delhi Mandore Express, Jodhpur/Bikaner-Delhi Sampark Kranti Express, Udaipur-Delhi Chetak Express, Ajmer-New Delhi Shatabdi Express, Ajmer-Haridwar Express, Ajmer-Amritsar Express, Delhi-Udaipur Chetak Express and Delhi-Bandra Terminus Garibrath Express, NWR CPRO Tarun Jain said.

4.30 pm: Jat leaders from Uttar Pradesh to meet Home Minister Rajnath Singh at 8 pm today.

4.22 pm: 18 trains of Western Railways cancelled, 15 terminated and 5 diverted.

4.20 pm: BJP issues showcase notice to party MP Raj kumar Saini for his alleged comments opposing the Jat reservation.

4.15 pm: Maruti Suzuki Plant in Manesar (Gurgaon,Haryana) temporarily closed as a precautionary measure.

4:00 pm: This is not a time to do politics, priority should be to maintain peace: Bhupinder Singh Hooda

3:15 pm: In order to deal with any situation of clashes with the security agencies or Army, Jats have put women and children as their shield. Women, too armed, are shouting slogans in various parts of Rohtak.

2:15 pm: Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar exhorts protesters to call off strike.

1:00 pm: A mob pelted stones at the house of senior Haryana Minister O P Dhankar in Jhajjar. No one was injured in the incident.

12:45 pm: Army took out a flag march in Hisar and cleared rail and road blockades set by Jat protesters who continued to indulge in arson and violence.

A contingent of army along with police cleared road blockades and rail tracks put up by protesters at several places, official sources told PTI.

Watch Video: Haryana Government should resolve Jat quota row quickly, says Hooda

The army also took out flag march near village Mayyar where Jats are sitting near the rail track on Hisar-Bhiwani route.

11:45 am: Some unidentified persons set on fire the Budha Khera Railway Station in Jind district. Furniture, record room and other articles were set on fire at the railway station, which falls on the Jind-Panipat rail section, police told PTI.

Jind is among the districts worst-hit by the ongoing Jat stir.

9:55 am: Neeraj Sharma, CPRO, Northern Railway, has said that around 150 trains have been cancelled. There have been fire incidents at Jhajjar station, he added. Tracks at some places have been damaged as well.

9:25 am: Bhoopinder Singh Hooda, ex-CM of Haryana, told ANI that a solution must be found through talks. He also urged protesters to agitate peacefully without causing loss to life and property.

9:20 am: The Army troops were flown into Rohtak via helicopters as all major roads and highways in Haryana remain blocked by Jat protestors.

9:10 am: Meanwhile, ANI is reporting that the Army flag march in Bhiwani has turned violent. Curfew has been imposed.

9:05 am: On a petition seeking directions to Haryana government to promptly act and stop “unlawful violent agitations” by Jat protesters, the Punjab and Haryana High Court Friday granted three days to the state government to file a status report in this regard. Read story here

8:55 am: Over 100 trains that pass through districts like Rohtak and Bhiwani stand cancelled causing severe inconvenience to over 1 lakh passengers in the region. Read here

8:50 am: Read how three people were killed in the protests on Friday

8:40 am: The protestors have set fire to the Khera railway station in Jind district, according to news agency ANI

8:30 am: Agitators are blocking roads and highways in Bahadurgarh.

- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ana-live-updates-rohtak/#sthash.t5oSXbO7.dpuf

 

[phitheb]

Voila l'article

Editorial du « Monde ». L’horizon de la démocratie indienne s’est singulièrement assombri depuis l’arrivée au pouvoir du chef du Parti du peuple indien, Narendra Modi, il y a près de deux ans. L’arrestation d’un étudiant et d’un ancien professeur de l’université Jawaharlal Nehru de Delhi, accusés de « sédition », est la dernière illustration de la dérive autoritaire d’un gouvernement nationaliste hindou décidé à faire taire toute critique. Alors même que les motifs de ces deux arrestations restent flous, les étudiants multiplient les manifestations dans tout le pays.

Le gouvernement dit agir au nom de la défense de la « nation ». Mais de quelle « nation » parle-t-on ? Il est paradoxal de voir les nationalistes hindous défendre aujourd’hui le drapeau indien, qu’ils ont longtemps dénigré pour lui préférer le drapeau couleur safran, étendard d’une nation hindoue qui se déploierait de l’Afghanistan jusqu’en Birmanie. Il est curieux de voir ces mêmes nationalistes hindous se poser en défenseurs de la nation,...
.....
Le contenu de l'article du Monde complet relate t'il la reelle situation avec ses morts et son cortege de degradations , comme sur les liens poste par mes soins ?

Nous en somme tout le meme la ! Pas a dire Mechant Modi ....

8:00 pm: Violence and arson in the Jat quota stir in Haryana spread to more areas today with four people being killed in firing by security personnel at Rohtak and Jhajjar districts taking the death toll to five even as he Army staged flag marches in affected pockets.

7:45 pm: 810 trains affected including 527 cancelled. 210 Mail/Express and 317 Passenger Trains cancelled, 104 Mail/Express Trains diverted, 78 Mail/Express and 23 Passenger Trains Short Terminated and 53 Mail/Express and 25 Passenger Trains Short Originated so far.

7:40 pm: Meeting at Home Minister Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi ends.

7:25 pm: The District Magistrate also ordered to shut down all liquor vends in the district with immediate effect. Superintendent of Police, all Sub Divisional Magistrates, Deputy Excise and Taxation Commissioner have been directed to shut down the liquor shops in their respective jurisdictions till February 22, 2016.

7:21 pm: Police and Army urged the people not to come out of their houses as curfew had been imposed in the area. “Action would be taken against those found violating the curfew and Section 144”, said Pankaj, District Magistrate, Bhiwani.

7:20 pm: Liqour vends shut in Bhiwani – In view of the ongoing agitation in the State, the joint teams of Army and Police today carried out flag march in Bhiwani city and urged the people to cooperate with District Administration and Army.


7:10 pm: 10 companies of para-military forces have reached & 23 more companies are on their way to Haryana- YP Singhal, Haryana DGP

7:00 pm: 13 army columns have reached & are assisting administration. 10 more army columns are being airlifted to respective destinations- YP Singhal

6:39 pm: Several trains from Jammu cancelled, causing inconvenience to passengers, specially those who had come on pilgrimage to Mata Vaishno Devi cave shrine.

6:38 pm: Meeting underway at HM Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi. Army Chief, NSA Ajit Doval, Defence Minister Parrikar present.


6:30 pm: Shoot at sight orders issued by District commissioner in areas of Hissar and Hansi areas of Haryana.

6:20 pm: Army column open fire at Jhajjar (Haryana) to disperse crowd as agitation got violent, 1 civilian casualty. More details awaited.

6:10 pm: 33 army columns deployed in 9 districts of Haryana with maximum deployment in Rohtak. Additional columns are on standby. (ANI)

5:30 pm: Cabinet Secy PK Sinha said that safety of people, protection to property & maintenance of law & order & harmony should be given top priority.

5:00 pm: More than 600 trains cancelled due to the agitation: Anil Saxena, Railways

4.38 pm: The trains which were cancelled are Ahmedabad-New Delhi Rajdhani Express, Jodhpur-Delhi Mandore Express, Jodhpur/Bikaner-Delhi Sampark Kranti Express, Udaipur-Delhi Chetak Express, Ajmer-New Delhi Shatabdi Express, Ajmer-Haridwar Express, Ajmer-Amritsar Express, Delhi-Udaipur Chetak Express and Delhi-Bandra Terminus Garibrath Express, NWR CPRO Tarun Jain said.

4.30 pm: Jat leaders from Uttar Pradesh to meet Home Minister Rajnath Singh at 8 pm today.

4.22 pm: 18 trains of Western Railways cancelled, 15 terminated and 5 diverted.

4.20 pm: BJP issues showcase notice to party MP Raj kumar Saini for his alleged comments opposing the Jat reservation.

4.15 pm: Maruti Suzuki Plant in Manesar (Gurgaon,Haryana) temporarily closed as a precautionary measure.

4:00 pm: This is not a time to do politics, priority should be to maintain peace: Bhupinder Singh Hooda

3:15 pm: In order to deal with any situation of clashes with the security agencies or Army, Jats have put women and children as their shield. Women, too armed, are shouting slogans in various parts of Rohtak.

2:15 pm: Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar exhorts protesters to call off strike.

1:00 pm: A mob pelted stones at the house of senior Haryana Minister O P Dhankar in Jhajjar. No one was injured in the incident.

12:45 pm: Army took out a flag march in Hisar and cleared rail and road blockades set by Jat protesters who continued to indulge in arson and violence.

A contingent of army along with police cleared road blockades and rail tracks put up by protesters at several places, official sources told PTI.

Watch Video: Haryana Government should resolve Jat quota row quickly, says Hooda

The army also took out flag march near village Mayyar where Jats are sitting near the rail track on Hisar-Bhiwani route.

11:45 am: Some unidentified persons set on fire the Budha Khera Railway Station in Jind district. Furniture, record room and other articles were set on fire at the railway station, which falls on the Jind-Panipat rail section, police told PTI.

Jind is among the districts worst-hit by the ongoing Jat stir.

9:55 am: Neeraj Sharma, CPRO, Northern Railway, has said that around 150 trains have been cancelled. There have been fire incidents at Jhajjar station, he added. Tracks at some places have been damaged as well.

9:25 am: Bhoopinder Singh Hooda, ex-CM of Haryana, told ANI that a solution must be found through talks. He also urged protesters to agitate peacefully without causing loss to life and property.

9:20 am: The Army troops were flown into Rohtak via helicopters as all major roads and highways in Haryana remain blocked by Jat protestors.

9:10 am: Meanwhile, ANI is reporting that the Army flag march in Bhiwani has turned violent. Curfew has been imposed.

9:05 am: On a petition seeking directions to Haryana government to promptly act and stop “unlawful violent agitations” by Jat protesters, the Punjab and Haryana High Court Friday granted three days to the state government to file a status report in this regard. Read story here

8:55 am: Over 100 trains that pass through districts like Rohtak and Bhiwani stand cancelled causing severe inconvenience to over 1 lakh passengers in the region. Read here

8:50 am: Read how three people were killed in the protests on Friday

8:40 am: The protestors have set fire to the Khera railway station in Jind district, according to news agency ANI

8:30 am: Agitators are blocking roads and highways in Bahadurgarh.

8:00 pm: Violence and arson in the Jat quota stir in Haryana spread to more areas today with four people being killed in firing by security personnel at Rohtak and Jhajjar districts taking the death toll to five even as he Army staged flag marches in affected pockets.

7:45 pm: 810 trains affected including 527 cancelled. 210 Mail/Express and 317 Passenger Trains cancelled, 104 Mail/Express Trains diverted, 78 Mail/Express and 23 Passenger Trains Short Terminated and 53 Mail/Express and 25 Passenger Trains Short Originated so far.

7:40 pm: Meeting at Home Minister Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi ends.

7:25 pm: The District Magistrate also ordered to shut down all liquor vends in the district with immediate effect. Superintendent of Police, all Sub Divisional Magistrates, Deputy Excise and Taxation Commissioner have been directed to shut down the liquor shops in their respective jurisdictions till February 22, 2016.

7:21 pm: Police and Army urged the people not to come out of their houses as curfew had been imposed in the area. “Action would be taken against those found violating the curfew and Section 144”, said Pankaj, District Magistrate, Bhiwani.

7:20 pm: Liqour vends shut in Bhiwani – In view of the ongoing agitation in the State, the joint teams of Army and Police today carried out flag march in Bhiwani city and urged the people to cooperate with District Administration and Army.



7:10 pm: 10 companies of para-military forces have reached & 23 more companies are on their way to Haryana- YP Singhal, Haryana DGP

7:00 pm: 13 army columns have reached & are assisting administration. 10 more army columns are being airlifted to respective destinations- YP Singhal

6:39 pm: Several trains from Jammu cancelled, causing inconvenience to passengers, specially those who had come on pilgrimage to Mata Vaishno Devi cave shrine.

6:38 pm: Meeting underway at HM Rajnath Singh’s residence in Delhi. Army Chief, NSA Ajit Doval, Defence Minister Parrikar present.

6:30 pm: Shoot at sight orders issued by District commissioner in areas of Hissar and Hansi areas of Haryana.

6:20 pm: Army column open fire at Jhajjar (Haryana) to disperse crowd as agitation got violent, 1 civilian casualty. More details awaited.

6:10 pm: 33 army columns deployed in 9 districts of Haryana with maximum deployment in Rohtak. Additional columns are on standby. (ANI)

5:30 pm: Cabinet Secy PK Sinha said that safety of people, protection to property & maintenance of law & order & harmony should be given top priority.

5:00 pm: More than 600 trains cancelled due to the agitation: Anil Saxena, Railways

4.38 pm: The trains which were cancelled are Ahmedabad-New Delhi Rajdhani Express, Jodhpur-Delhi Mandore Express, Jodhpur/Bikaner-Delhi Sampark Kranti Express, Udaipur-Delhi Chetak Express, Ajmer-New Delhi Shatabdi Express, Ajmer-Haridwar Express, Ajmer-Amritsar Express, Delhi-Udaipur Chetak Express and Delhi-Bandra Terminus Garibrath Express, NWR CPRO Tarun Jain said.

4.30 pm: Jat leaders from Uttar Pradesh to meet Home Minister Rajnath Singh at 8 pm today.

4.22 pm: 18 trains of Western Railways cancelled, 15 terminated and 5 diverted.

4.20 pm: BJP issues showcase notice to party MP Raj kumar Saini for his alleged comments opposing the Jat reservation.

4.15 pm: Maruti Suzuki Plant in Manesar (Gurgaon,Haryana) temporarily closed as a precautionary measure.

4:00 pm: This is not a time to do politics, priority should be to maintain peace: Bhupinder Singh Hooda

3:15 pm: In order to deal with any situation of clashes with the security agencies or Army, Jats have put women and children as their shield. Women, too armed, are shouting slogans in various parts of Rohtak.

2:15 pm: Haryana Chief Minister Manohar Lal Khattar exhorts protesters to call off strike.

1:00 pm: A mob pelted stones at the house of senior Haryana Minister O P Dhankar in Jhajjar. No one was injured in the incident.

12:45 pm: Army took out a flag march in Hisar and cleared rail and road blockades set by Jat protesters who continued to indulge in arson and violence.

A contingent of army along with police cleared road blockades and rail tracks put up by protesters at several places, official sources told PTI.

Watch Video: Haryana Government should resolve Jat quota row quickly, says Hooda

The army also took out flag march near village Mayyar where Jats are sitting near the rail track on Hisar-Bhiwani route.

11:45 am: Some unidentified persons set on fire the Budha Khera Railway Station in Jind district. Furniture, record room and other articles were set on fire at the railway station, which falls on the Jind-Panipat rail section, police told PTI.

Jind is among the districts worst-hit by the ongoing Jat stir.

9:55 am: Neeraj Sharma, CPRO, Northern Railway, has said that around 150 trains have been cancelled. There have been fire incidents at Jhajjar station, he added. Tracks at some places have been damaged as well.

9:25 am: Bhoopinder Singh Hooda, ex-CM of Haryana, told ANI that a solution must be found through talks. He also urged protesters to agitate peacefully without causing loss to life and property.

9:20 am: The Army troops were flown into Rohtak via helicopters as all major roads and highways in Haryana remain blocked by Jat protestors.

9:10 am: Meanwhile, ANI is reporting that the Army flag march in Bhiwani has turned violent. Curfew has been imposed.

9:05 am: On a petition seeking directions to Haryana government to promptly act and stop “unlawful violent agitations” by Jat protesters, the Punjab and Haryana High Court Friday granted three days to the state government to file a status report in this regard. Read story here

8:55 am: Over 100 trains that pass through districts like Rohtak and Bhiwani stand cancelled causing severe inconvenience to over 1 lakh passengers in the region. Read here

8:50 am: Read how three people were killed in the protests on Friday

8:40 am: The protestors have set fire to the Khera railway station in Jind district, according to news agency ANI

8:30 am: Agitators are blocking roads and highways in Bahadurgarh.

- See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/in...ana-live-updates-rohtak/#sthash.t5oSXbO7.dpuf

Cher Lafoy, merci pour ces moult lignes détaillées, mais je pense que tu méconnais quelque peu le concept "d'Editorial" pour un quotidien: l'éditorial est un article court dont le but est de mettre en évidence le sujet que le journal juge le plus crucial du moment et sur lequel il va donner son opinion. Donc, là, "Le Monde" juge que les émeutes indiennes sont un sujet majeur et pour lequel il critique fortement le régime indien. D'ailleurs j'ai l'impression que tu n'as bien lu cet éditorial, les mots sont quand même assez forts: "la démocratie indienne s’est singulièrement assombri depuis l’arrivée au pouvoir du chef du Parti du peuple indien", "dérive autoritaire d’un gouvernement nationaliste hindou décidé à faire taire toute critique"... c'est à peu près au même niveau de ce qui se dit souvent sur la Chine dans ce même journal (et je suis d'ailleurs en désaccord avec Le Monde sur ce point: la démocratie indienne reste infiniment plus respectable que la dictature chinoise. La preuve: les medias indiens sont les premiers à dénoncer la répression policière du régime. Chose inimaginable dans l'empire du Milieu).
Il me semble donc que cela démonte totalement ta "théorie" comme quoi les journaux français (et "Le Monde" en particulier pour reprendre tes propres termes) subiraient une sorte d'omerta liée aux Rafales vendus à Modi.
Maintenant, que cet éditorial ne donne pas l'évolution heure par heure de la situation, c'est normal, ce n'est pas son rôle.

 

[MandaRhum]

la démocratie indienne reste infiniment plus respectable que la dictature chinoise. La preuve: les medias indiens sont les premiers à dénoncer la répression policière du régime. Chose inimaginable dans l'empire du Milieu

Houlà houlà... tu t'emballes, camarade. Déjà vécu en Inde ? Tu connais bien le pays ?

 

[phitheb]

Houlà houlà... tu t'emballes, camarade. Déjà vécu en Inde ? Tu connais bien le pays ?

non, je l'avoue humblement. Mais ma femme connait pas mal le pays et m'en a effectivement raconté des vertes et des pas mures (corruption, pauvreté extrême, etc...)
Et je ne nierais pas que la vie est sans doute bien plus difficile en Inde qu'en Chine.

Mais je ne parlais pas de la vie quotidienne ou des problèmes économique de l'Inde, mais seulement de l'aspect démocratique, et là il me semble que le simple fait que l'information sur la brutalité de la répression circule librement dans les medias indiens (chose dont je peux aisément me rendre compte en regardant la presse indienne online) est une assez bonne preuve que l'information n'est pas contrôlée dans ce pays comme elle l'est en Chine. Idem: le simple fait que des manifestations hostiles au régime peuvent avoir lieu semble indiquer, qu'à la différence de la Chine, les mouvements d'opposition existent et s'expriment sur la voie publique, choses impensables en Chine. De même, l'Inde, avec tous ses défauts, vit tout de même au rythme d'alternances politiques assez similaires à ce que nous pouvons vivre en occident (le BJP ayant, il me semble, peu de choses en commun avec le parti du congrès).

De la même manière, je n'ai jamais habité ni au Zimbabwe ni en Australie, mais il me semble que le régime australien est bien plus "fréquentable" que celui de Mugabé (et je suis près à parier que, sans avoir vécu dans ces pays, tu as, toi aussi, une opinion sur la question)

 

[Pierre266]

Ne minimisons pas...
En suivant le sujet en diagonale, je reconnais à M. Lafoy une certaine clairvoyance tout de même, sans connaître du complot de silence contre rafales..? Mais il s'agit de morts, et pas n'importe lesquels !
La police ou l'armée (déjà, pas encore, je n'ai pas tout lu) tire à balles réelles sur des étudiants qui manifestent !!! Et par conséquent en tue.
La dernière fois que j'ai entendu ce genre de faits, je crois que c'était à Pékin en 85... mais n'étant pas fan d'infos déprimantes, j'ai pu rater quelques épisodes, voire des saisons entières. En tout cas, il n'avait pas fallu longtemps, en France, pour être submergé par les unes, les télés, les radios, les posters et cartes postales (seul face au char !) et mêmes les conversations de bistrots qui relataient l'ÉVÉNEMENT !
Ce n'était pas trois lignes en italiques dans un petit rectangle d'un coin de page titré "Edito" ou "Le billet du jour".
Je me souviens aussi de nombreuses manifestations estudiantines dans le pays des barbapapas que j'ai quitté et qui nous lie ici, ne serait-ce que par son langage. Ça n'a rien à voir.
Je pense que c'est un fait, deux pays, deux mesures que voulait relever notre cher @lafoy-china

 

[phitheb]

Ce n'était pas trois lignes en italiques dans un petit rectangle d'un coin de page titré "Edito" ou "Le billet du jour".

ah bon? 3 lignes, sans dec'?
Et comparer un "édito" à un "billet du jour" c'est un peu comme comparer un grand reportage de guerre à la page météo.

Quant au fait que la police tire à balles réelles sur des manifestants, cela est, hélas, arrivé moult et moult fois depuis Pékin en 89 , et ce dans de nombreux pays...(par exemple, en Ukraine en 2014: http://www.francetvinfo.fr/ukraine-assaut-de-la-police-et-tirs-a-balles-reelles_511765.html)

 

[Pierre266]

ah bon? 3 lignes, sans dec'?
Et comparer un "édito" à un "billet du jour" c'est un peu comme comparer un grand reportage de guerre à la page météo.

Quant au fait que la police tire à balles réelles sur des manifestants, cela est, hélas, arrivé moult et moult fois depuis Pékin en 89 , et ce dans de nombreux pays...

Tu fais bien de relever mes lacunes en dates, en histoire et surtout en fil d'infos... mea culpa !
En relevant également ma comparaison pour jouer à celui qui... tu me permets de t'expliquer que je crois que tu attaches trop d'importance à ta conception de l'edito du monde, que même le gars qui l'écrit ne doit pas partager. Mais ce n'est que mon avis de mec qui ne s'intéresse pas aux infos, donc qui n'y connait rien et qui ne se lancera pas dans de grands débats pour savoir...
Non, c'est juste assez triste qu'il y ait des morts. RIP

PS Si tu ajoutes des exemples, comparons ce qui est comparable, Ukraine = manif' d'étudiants ? oui, non ?
En googlant "police tirs étudiants", je trouve Turquie 2015, mais balles en caoutchouc ou "flashball", et Kinshasa, où le régime prétend que les "balles réelles" sont des "jets de pierres"...
Enfin, on passe aux US en 1970, à l'université de Kent, Ohio.
Sinon en précisant "tirs balles réelles" dans la recherche, on peut ajouter Soweto 1976, au Kenya en 1999 (tirs en l'air) et Conakry 2006. Plus un doute sur le Tchad 2015, avec deux entrées: "La police aurait tiré" et "La police n'a pas tiré"...
Donc, "arrivé moult et moult fois depuis Pékin"... euh, ah bon ? Je pensais que google savait tout ça.
En même temps, ça m'intéresse vraiment pas !

 

[phitheb]

Non, c'est juste assez triste qu'il y ait des morts. RIP

je ne peux qu'être d'accord avec ça.

 

[MandaRhum]

non, je l'avoue humblement. Mais ma femme connait pas mal le pays et m'en a effectivement raconté des vertes et des pas mures (corruption, pauvreté extrême, etc...)
Et je ne nierais pas que la vie est sans doute bien plus difficile en Inde qu'en Chine.

Mais je ne parlais pas de la vie quotidienne ou des problèmes économique de l'Inde, mais seulement de l'aspect démocratique, et là il me semble que le simple fait que l'information sur la brutalité de la répression circule librement dans les medias indiens (chose dont je peux aisément me rendre compte en regardant la presse indienne online) est une assez bonne preuve que l'information n'est pas contrôlée dans ce pays comme elle l'est en Chine. Idem: le simple fait que des manifestations hostiles au régime peuvent avoir lieu semble indiquer, qu'à la différence de la Chine, les mouvements d'opposition existent et s'expriment sur la voie publique, choses impensables en Chine. De même, l'Inde, avec tous ses défauts, vit tout de même au rythme d'alternances politiques assez similaires à ce que nous pouvons vivre en occident (le BJP ayant, il me semble, peu de choses en commun avec le parti du congrès).

De la même manière, je n'ai jamais habité ni au Zimbabwe ni en Australie, mais il me semble que le régime australien est bien plus "fréquentable" que celui de Mugabé (et je suis près à parier que, sans avoir vécu dans ces pays, tu as, toi aussi, une opinion sur la question)

Certes, mais en terme de « respectabilité », pour reprendre ton mot, la démocratie indienne est un peu à l'inverse de ça. Certes il y a alternance au pouvoir, mais sur tout le reste il y a énormément à redire. Y compris le droit de manifester ou la liberté de la presse.
Alors que ça reste plus « respectable » que le régime chinois, je veux bien. Mais « infiniment », non, faut pas pousser.

 

[lafoy-china]

Ca c'est le comble ! On ne peut pas dire que la presse francaise ne sait pas ce qui se passe depuis 2 jours ! Esperons que ce soit publie aujourdhui dans les medias francais !

Security lockdown in north India state as caste violence flares
PUBLISHED : Saturday, 20 February, 2016, 11:57pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 20 February, 2016, 11:57pm
Agence France-Presse

Indian soldiers patrol Rohtak after widespread rioting. Photo: AFP​

Indian authorities issued shoot-on-sight orders and deployed thousands of troops in a northern state neighbouring New Delhi Saturday, after escalating caste protests left five people dead, officials and reports said.

Television images showed mobs wielding sticks rampaging through the streets in Haryana state, setting fire to a local government minister’s house and railway stations, damaging train tracks and blocking two key highways.
A week-long protest by members of the state’s dominant Jat caste, who are demanding quotas for government jobs and in education, turned violent Friday as police fired on protesters.
India sets aside a proportion of jobs and educational places to people from so-called lower and backward castes – measures intended to bring victims of the worst discrimination into the mainstream.
The Jats, a comparatively affluent group, want the same special allowances to put them on an equal footing with lower castes.
Smaller protests broke out in neighbouring Uttar Pradesh state, which also borders Delhi, late Saturday, as hundreds of Jat demonstrators blocked a main highway.
Several media reports quoted unnamed police sources as saying five people had died in the violence, but repeated calls to police officials went unanswered.
Earlier in the day Haryana police chief Yash Pal Singal told reporters that one person had been confirmed dead.
Haryana chief minister Manohar Lal Khattar appealed for calm Saturday and urged people not to damage public property.
“I appeal to the people especially the youth to stop the protests. Nothing will be gained by destroying property,” Khattar said in a televised interview.
With protests spreading across the state, more than 5,000 army and paramilitary troops patrolled the streets to impose a round-the-clock curfew in eight districts.
The army was forced to use helicopters to reach parts of the state after protesters blocked two highways connecting four northern states with the capital.
In Rohtak district, the centre of the protests, a mob defied the security clampdown and set fire to a police station, a petrol pump, a community hall and shops, police said.
“It was a 3,000-Str0ng mob with axes, iron rods and sticks. We had to run for safety,” Rajender Singh, a local police official said.
Protesters attacked ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) lawmaker Raj Kumar Saini’s house in Haryana over comments he made opposing quotas for Jats.
The Saini caste, to which the lawmaker belongs, is currently given quotas which would be diluted if the privileges were expanded to other groups.
Mobile internet and SMS services have been shut down in riot-hit areas to halt the flow of information.
Protesters damaged railway tracks and started fires at three railway stations leading 600 trains to be cancelled since Friday, Indian Railways spokesman Neeraj Sharma said.
But Jat leaders threatened to continue their protests after talks with Haryana’s right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) state government remained inconclusive.
“The protest will only end when government accepts our demands. We won’t get carried away by false assurances now,” said Yashapal Malik, the president of a national Jat organisation which is leading the protest.
The Jats make up 29 per cent of Haryana’s population and are traditionally a farming community.
In March 2014, the then national ruling Congress government decided to allot quotas to the Jats nationwide.
But the Supreme Court, India’s highest court, cancelled the order saying it violated rules around quotas.
Supreme Court rules state that caste quotas cannot exceed 50 per cent of the total of, for example, university places or government jobs.
It also states that caste alone cannot be the reason to approve quotas for a community but that factors such as poverty levels must be taken into account, meaning the Jats do not qualify.
The latest protests echo caste violence that swept the western state of Gujarat in August last year, leaving several dead.
That state saw weeks of protests by the privileged Patidar or Patel caste, who demanded the same treatment afforded to lower castes.
But the policy of “reservation” causes resentment among other communities who say it freezes them out.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/south...kdown-north-india-state-caste-violence-flares

 

[Sparadrap]

la démocratie indienne reste infiniment plus respectable que la dictature chinoise

Sur le "infiniment", tu y es allé un peu fort, Phitheb. Le système politique indien m'apparaît plus comme une "castocratie" (rien à voir avec Castorama, hein) qu'une véritable démocratie. Les électeurs votent par communauté et on n'imagine pas une femme voter différemment de son frère et de son mari, qui eux-mêmes ne voteront pas différemment de leurs pères, qui à leur tour ne voteront pas différemment des caïds de la communauté... On voit là une inadéquation (temporaire ?) entre un système politique élaboré dans des pays d'essence européenne et chrétienne et un terreau exogène. Ceci dit, effectivement l'Inde est la plus grande démocratie de la planète (en termes de population et de superficie).

Après, au niveau de l'action politique (et j'ai bien compris que ton "respectable" ne s'y rapportait pas), le pays peine à s'attaquer aux défis majeurs qui ont déjà été listés dans le fil. Ma contribution se limitera donc à la machine à café au boulot : mes collègues féminines chinoises ha-llu-cinent à la lecture des articles sur les violences faites à leurs semblables en Inde. Un sujet pareil en dit long sur l'état d'une société (égalité hommes-femmes, accès au logement, à l'éducation, justice).